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A practical trading method in a moneyless economy

Started this discussion. Last reply by David Braden Dec 8, 2011. 11 Replies

Change is occurring at a phenomenal rate and a heck of a lot has happened since my last post on here. With the now global Occupy Movement, there is a discernible shift from protest to developing…Continue

Tags: society, new, economy

The Way Forward

Started this discussion. Last reply by David Braden Apr 18, 2011. 2 Replies

We have arrived at the point at which we know we must stand together and call an end to the insanity currently governing our society. We are an addictive species. Just as we have become addicted to…Continue

Let the money follow YOU

Started Mar 16, 2011 0 Replies

When Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward exposed the Watergate scandal in the Washington Post in 1972, they relied heavily on an inside informer known only as "Deep Throat". Deep Throat's advice was…Continue

Value-based economies

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kenrick Chin Nov 2, 2012. 65 Replies

Most of the problems encountered in modern society can be attributed in some way to money. Poverty is a result of having too little or no money and the dangerous balance of power that leads to…Continue

Tags: alternatives, economy

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Kenrick Chin replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'Value-based economies'
"Don't give up. There is a long list of writers who deeply understand this, to list a few, in no particular order, David Korten, Ellen Brown, Charles Eisenstein, James Gustave Speth, Thomas Greco, Michael Hudson, Mike Nickerson, Chris Martenson,…"
Nov 2, 2012
Ron Tocknell replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'Value-based economies'
"The problems we do tend to run up against is lack of support for alternative systems. Societies are kind of addicted to the concept of financial wealth... even though the system is geared to ensure that the majority within society never attain…"
Nov 2, 2012
Theuns G. Dirkse-van Schalkwyk replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'Value-based economies'
"I belong to a Community Exchange System (CES) or LETS, which uses a public owned barter/payment system that cannot inflate or lose value. The world at large uses the current FIAT money system controlled and inflated by banks. Given these two…"
Nov 2, 2012
Ron Tocknell replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'Value-based economies'
Apr 17, 2012
Kenrick Chin replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'Value-based economies'
"Charles Einsenstein's "Sacred Economics" makes a long but valuable read: http://sacred-economics.com/"
Apr 17, 2012
Ron Tocknell replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'Value-based economies'
"It's a good alternative to what we have but then, the concept of money was a brilliant invention initially. Any new way of dealing with a monetary system is prone to the same corruption as the current system. The essence of the problem is the…"
Apr 17, 2012
Christopher Tidman replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'Value-based economies'
"Been a while since I was here. I see that I left with some things not too clear. I propose that the central bank not loan money to the Government. it loans money interest free to individuals. When entrpreneurs make a profit the money is deposited…"
Apr 16, 2012
David Braden replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"What I am writing next will sound wrong to you but it is the truth . . . The only conscious power in the system is the power of choice in the individual. No organization exists except for the choice of individuals to participate, therefor, no leader…"
Dec 8, 2011
Ron Tocknell replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"Well, taking away the power of the corporations to drill where they want is taking something away from someone who will oppose such a move. Taking the almost absolute power away from world leaders who tend to abuse if for their own ends is taking…"
Dec 8, 2011
David Braden replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"That brings us back to the first point Ron. We could argue eliminating debt and state owned industry but what good would it do? The kind of top down change you advocate is unlikely to happen in a democratic process where almost all voters have…"
Dec 8, 2011
Ron Tocknell replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"Yes. I agree that profit-driven industries are actually counter-productive to the needs of society. I think main industries should be state-owned. As it stands at the moment, production depends on high consumption so cars, telephones, domestic…"
Dec 8, 2011
David Braden replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"Yes, I like the concept of getting out the road map. Worker ownership is one approach and most people cite the Mondragon Cooperatives as the example. There is another example from EF Schumacher's work with the Scott Bader…"
Dec 8, 2011
Ron Tocknell replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"By "State", I am not referring to a centre of power as such. At the moment, we have the famous "pyramid of power" structure (as portrayed on the US dollar). This is the model of every civilisation in history and regarded as…"
Dec 8, 2011
David Braden replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"Ron writes: The energy basis is people, ingenuity, creativity, and labour. I agree with the first part of your argument. The way I say it is, 'It does not take money to create value. It only takes money to exchange value. So, if the problem is…"
Dec 8, 2011
Ron Tocknell replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"I don't share your belief that money "powers" anything. The only part that money plays in any transaction is to give permission for it to occur. When we have the skills and the equipment and the will to do something, what practical…"
Dec 7, 2011
David Eggleton replied to Ron Tocknell's discussion 'A practical trading method in a moneyless economy'
"By "your" I meant the one you envision. By "energy basis" I refer to the ability to do work (classic definition) upon which an entity of any scale relies. So, what will power the moneyless economy/society? I believe all visions…"
Dec 7, 2011

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I am not currently involved but I think this is a necessary step forward.
In what ways do you identify with the Transition movement? Why are you interested?
I feel we are dangerously dependent upon the State and corporate providers to supply our vital needs. We need to be interdependent upon one another as a social species and as self-sufficient as possible as individuals. It is important as we move into the next phase of our evolution to return to WHO we are.
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I have nothing to bring except my enthusiasm. Hopefully, I can learn much and spread this concept within my own area and, hopefully, it may spread from there throughout my own country.
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At 5:37pm on December 27, 2010, Heather K said…
Good to meet you Ron!  I've not yet walked the forests or meadows of your land in Britian, though my family blood lines carry the memories.  Glad to hear their is some forests left...I'm a bit spoiled having such a big island/continent to explore the forests & deserts & streams.  I almost came over to England for a permi course by Patrick Whitefield, but decided the best one was right on Orcas Island in our bioregion.
At 3:29pm on December 27, 2010, Heather K said…

Hi Ron, Good to read your discussions.  I'm not very active on this site, but I am active in community on the earth.  I network mostly online with the Earth Gardens network I created within our Transition Whatcom network:

http://transitionwhatcom.ning.com/group/organic

Hope you're staying warm this winter...I hear its been cold in the northeast atlantic isles.

At 10:55am on August 12, 2010, Les Squires -- Webmaster said…
Welcome Ron. Great to see your interest in Transition! And to have skyped earlier this morning. Enjoy.
 
 
 

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